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May 6, 2012

Weekly reader: GrubHub, Yelp, Groupon, computer science

Filed under: groupon, yelp — Rakesh Agrawal @ 8:23 pm

I was in New Orleans for Jazz Fest this week, but managed to get more writing in than I expected.

For the first time this week, we saw Groupon drop below 50% of its initial IPO price of $20, closing the week just below $10. Anyone who invested at the IPO and help (are there any of these people?) would have lost half their money.

This coming week, I’ll be in San Francisco. To make up for my lack of Groupon writing the last two weeks, I’ll be doing one Groupon post each day.

My work

GrubHub is bringing restaurant ordering into the 21st century – GrubHub is giving restaurants converted Kindle Fires to confirm orders. This is making it easier for restaurants while at the same time reducing customer service costs. It’s the kind of smart thinking I like to see in local.

Why Yelp is the Digg of local – Yelp has essentially failed to innovate in the last three years. It’s using an old publishing model that doesn’t make sense. But for consumers, it’s delivering one-size-fits-all results that really fit no one.

Top sales talent leaving Groupon as its woes mount – Many Groupon deals these days are seeing really low volumes. This breaks the overall Groupon model, which was predicated on selling thousands of units to cover the extremely high cost of sales. As volumes drop, salespeople can’t earn enough money on commissions and the best ones are leaving for greener pastures.

Silicon Valley needs to end its snobbery about computer science degrees – In the wake of Yahoo CEO Scott Thompson’s resume scandal, I take a look at Silicon Valley’s snobbery around computer science degrees. I want to be clear that I’m in no way defending Thompson. He lied and there should be serious repercussions, both from Yahoo! and the SEC. (Otherwise, what’s the point of having CEOs certify statements to the SEC?) But I think that Silicon Valley ends up getting tunnel vision because of the focus on C.S. degrees for roles that don’t need them.

Me quoted elsewhere

When Yelp advertisers yelp at rates – CBS MoneyWatch takes a look at Yelp advertising. I continue to believe that Yelp local advertising is a terrible deal and no advertiser should ever run ads at the rates Yelp charges. (I’m rarely this absolute — even with Groupon, I can think of cases where running a Groupon makes sense. I can’t think of a case where I’d recommend Yelp to a business.) I found more examples this week that I’ll write about soon.

April 29, 2012

Weekly Reader: Groupon, Sonos, why air travel sucks

Filed under: groupon, sonos, weekly reader — Rakesh Agrawal @ 7:18 am

I didn’t write any posts this week!

I spent the first part of the week in Chicago chatting with current and former Groupon employees and with the folks at edo Interactive, Braintree and GrubHub. GrubHub has a very interesting product that will be announced on Tuesday; I think it’s an important step in the market. I spent the second part of the week in New Orleans for Jazz Fest.

I will have plenty to say about Groupon based on my Chicago conversations in the next few weeks.

Although I didn’t write, I was quoted elsewhere.

Me quoted elsewhere

3 On Your Side: Daily Deal Fatigue – I talk to CBS Philadelphia about the consumer side of Groupon and how consumers can protect themselves. Actually, I didn’t talk to anyone in Philly; they just recycled video from an interview I did with CBS San Francisco. (I don’t think SF has aired it yet.)

Sonos at 10: Speakers command attention — I talk to USA Today about Sonos, a company I really like.

Surviving The Road Wars Of Economy Travel — I talk to Forbes about why air travel sucks. It’s mostly because vast majority of consumers aren’t willing to pay for it. If people were consistently willing to pay more, we’d have higher quality.

Other interesting nuggets

May 20th has been set as the date for my monthly wine and cheese event. DM me for details.

April 22, 2012

Weekly Reader: Facebook virality, Twitter patents and Groupon’s Lefkofsky

Filed under: daily deals, facebook, groupon, twitter — Rakesh Agrawal @ 8:46 am

This contains a summary of my work this week. I had two very important non-Groupon stories this week, on Facebook and Twitter.

My work

Secrets of Facebook’s success: Virality — Facebook’s photo tagging feature was an important driver of its growth. Traditional marketing approaches aren’t as effective as products that are designed to take advantage of the social nature of people. Google+ misses the basics. While Google spends millions running beautiful Oscar ads, they ignore very basics of product design necessary for social interaction.

Can Twitter and Yammer fix our broken patent system? – Twitter announced a new agreement with its employees that Twitter will only use patents for defensive purposes and will not become a patent troll. Employees who invent for Twitter will have a say in how Twitter can use the patents. As an inventor, this has a lot of appeal. Could this be a sign of more sanity in patent battles?

Chicago Tribune talks to Groupon chairman Lefkofsky; asks the wrong questions – A Chicago Tribune business columnist sat down for an extended interview with Groupon chairman Eric Lefkofsky and failed to ask the hard questions, such as: Why did you take so much money off the table pre-IPO? How is it that you made so much money on previous companies and investors were left holding the bag.

“It just works” rules – I’m launch a new feature on VentureBeat where I’ll be taking a look at brilliantly designed products. My goal is not to traditional product reviews, but to help product people learn from great design. Do you have a product that fits my criteria? Shoot me an email.

Staying connected with friends for frequent travelers – For someone who travels as much as I do, staying in touch with friends can be a challenge. Here’s a strategy I came up with.

Other interesting nuggets

The Perils of the Daily Deal Customer – A first person account from a merchant on her daily deal experience. The merchant’s experience is exactly the result I expect from the economic model of the daily deal. At their core, daily deals create unserviceable demand from untargeted customers at massive discounts.

I just finished the final hellish weeks of a Groupon deal I ran a year ago. I’ll probably never do one again. If enough merchants grow to feel the way I do — and many already do — Groupon and its countless imitators will wither and die because they will not be able to get enough businesses to participate in the deals you so enjoy.

Why aren’t we going back for more? Because daily deal customers are worse than normal customers in every way imaginable.

April 11, 2012

Another open letter to Andrew Mason

Filed under: daily deals, groupon — Rakesh Agrawal @ 4:35 pm

Dear Andrew:

As you may have heard, I am coming back to Chicago in the next couple of weeks for another round of Groupon research. Although you didn’t take me up on my invitation the last time I visited Chicago, I’d like to encourage you to re-consider this time.

Since I started writing about Groupon last June, I’ve been right about most things. Here are some of my predictions that have come true:

  • Groupon would have to abandon ACSOI.
  • Groupon would have to use net accounting instead of gross accounting.
  • Groupon Getaways wouldn’t be meaningful.
  • Groupon Now wouldn’t be meaningful.
  • Consumers would fatigue of daily deals.
  • The deal quality would go down as better merchants figured out that running Groupons is a  bad idea.
  • The Groupon Promise would turn out to be too expensive. During my last visit, I very explicitly told your PR team that they were underestimating the refund rate. This, as we know, was the cause of your restatement that has sent the stock into freefall.

I’m happy to chat with you about the current state of Groupon and the steps that management is taking to fix these problems.

There are a few other reasons you should consider meeting with me:

  • I will be meeting with current and former Groupon employees during my trip. I can only spend so much time in Chicago, so any time I spend with you is time that I’m not talking to employees.
  • I talk to most reporters who cover Groupon. Because I have spent more time than nearly anyone studying the space, I give background information to many others who are looking to learn and write about it.
  • I talk to money managers about Groupon and the local space. Before the IPO, I talked to many money managers about the offering. Most everyone I talked to listened to what I had to say and didn’t buy at the offering. (And they’re now very thankful — considering that the stock is down 35% in less than 6 months.) If there’s a better story to tell for the future, I’m sure they’d love to know.

And, who knows, after meeting, we may decide that my April Fool’s joke isn’t such a bad idea.

April 7, 2012

Look at the logo Google News puts next to Groupon

Filed under: daily deals, groupon — Rakesh Agrawal @ 9:49 am

From this morning, a search on Groupon returned these results:

Google News algorithms put the Enron logo next to a story about Groupon

Google News algorithms put the Enron logo next to a story about Groupon

I think I’ve made the Groupon and Enron comparison myself. In both cases, you had high-flying companies that focused on short-term growth while ignoring the underlying risks of what they were creating.

One of the challenges of negative press like this is that Groupon is dependent on cash flow from selling new deals to pay off merchants from old deals.

The right way to think about Groupon is as a currency. Such constant bad press could create a confidence crisis in the Groupon currency. Small businesses who do the most basic due diligence (Google “Groupon”) will see the negative news and refuse to run new deals. It will exacerbate Groupon’s adverse selection problem, meaning only shakier and shakier businesses will run Groupons, increasing Groupon’s refund liabilities. (If you were on the bubble about running a Groupon, the bad press will sway you toward not running one.)

Consumers will also stop buying deals. It could also lead payment processors like Chase Paymentech and American Express to terminate their merchant relationships, which would also lead to cash-flow issues for Groupon.

If the Groupon currency market were as efficient as bond markets, this news would cause Groupon to collapse overnight like Lehman Brothers. Fortunately for Groupon, the market is not that efficient.

Groupon customers outside of the United States and Canada will also be hurt because Groupon generally holds on to their money until a Groupon is redeemed.

When Groupon collapses, it will cause some serious pain for Chase Paymentech and possibly American Express. I estimate that Chase has at least $500 million in chargeback liabilities if Groupon goes under. But because Groupon doesn’t accurately track which Groupons were redeemed, this liability could be much higher. Any consumer who had purchased a Groupon could claim they didn’t get what they paid for. I called on credit card companies to take a look at their exposure from Groupon months ago in a Bloomberg West appearance.

The biggest losers in a Groupon collapse would be the small businesses who run Groupons. As of the end of the 4th quarter, Groupon owed small businesses $520 million. This number is likely at least $100 million higher. These are people who can hardly afford to take a hit of several thousand dollars.

The other potential loser is Ernst & Young, the auditor that signed off on revision after revision of Groupon’s bogus financial statements. (Though I don’t expect Groupon to take down Ernst & Young like Enron took down Arthur Andersen.) I’m not ordinarily one to call for Congressional hearings, but E&Y deserves to be raked over the coals for sanctioning Groupon’s financials.

Oh, and a note to the Los Angeles Times: I fully expected this.

See my worst-case scenario of what happens if Groupon collapses. Also see my collection of Groupon stories following the restatement.

Disclosure: I have investments and several ongoing bets related to Groupon.

April 4, 2012

Are LivingSocial, Google Offers and the rest as bad as Groupon?

Filed under: daily deals, google, groupon, livingsocial — Rakesh Agrawal @ 6:27 am

IMPORTANT: Please see this page to see my current interests in Groupon.

Whenever I get into Groupon mode, people ask me about how LivingSocial and Google Offers are different from Groupon.

In many ways, they are the same. Any model that gives businesses cash early on in exchange for a promise of service to be delivered later is a financing business, not a marketing business. I use the analogy of receivables factoring or payday lending to describe the core U.S. Groupon business model. That also applies to LivingSocial’s and Google Offers’ daily deals product. Whenever you do that, you have a risk management issue. And I believe that no one in the space is handling the risk appropriately.

As a point of comparison, I tried one of my fraud tests against Square. About $11 in transactions that fit a pattern of potential fraud were enough to get my account shut down. Yet Groupon and LivingSocial are writing checks for tens of thousands with very little fraud prevention.

But there are some very significant differences among the players in the space:

  • Scale. Groupon has the most scale by far. On a revenue basis, they are roughly 4x as large as LivingSocial, the #2 player.
  • Management team. Groupon co-founder and executive chairman Eric Lefkofsky has a checkered past with his previous companies. The pattern is the same: he gets rich and investors lose. This CNN article is a must read for anyone interested in Groupon. Lefkofsky and his affiliated entities took nearly $400 million out of Groupon before the company went public. I worked with LivingSocial CEO Tim O’Shaughnessy during my time at Aol (although not closely). There was nothing in my interactions with him that suggested anything sketchy. He just struck me as an ambitious and energetic guy. It’s hard for me to believe that a $10 billion public company has a PR team as grossly incompetent as Groupon’s. LivingSocial’s is among the best I’ve ever worked with. (Disclosure: I worked with LivingSocial’s head of PR at Aol. He was the PR lead on one project I worked on. Groupon refuses to talk to me.)
  • Company structure. Groupon is an independent public company, which means its moves are analyzed differently than LivingSocial’s (which is private) and Google Offers (which is too small to be material in Google’s results). This means they have to act very differently. Even if Andrew Mason agreed 100% with everything I’ve written, he might not be able to take corrective action because most of the necessary steps would require short-term revenue declines. LivingSocial, on the other hand, can do away with underperforming products like LivingSocial Instant. Because Offers is a tiny part of Google’s business, they can afford to build for the long term and do the right thing for small businesses as opposed to trying to extract as much money as possible now to satisfy Wall Street.
  • Innovation. Although LivingSocial essentially ripped off Groupon’s business model, it has been much more innovative since. As a smaller company that is not subject to Wall Street pressures yet, it is able to try a lot of new businesses and see what works. This flexibility may be what saves LivingSocial while Groupon has to double down on a stupid business model to show revenue growth.
  • A different focus. Groupon has set its brand to be all about price, which attracts the wrong set of customers for small businesses. Businesses want high-value customers, not cheapskates who will never return at full price. Just the brand names make a difference: Groupon sounds cheap; LivingSocial almost sounds classy. This may sound like a cheap shot, but I believe it makes a meaningful difference.
  • Risk mitigation. LivingSocial has sales people on the ground in most of its markets. They actually visit the businesses and talk with business owners. Groupon has a lot of people in call centers in Chicago. Although LivingSocial has had its share of deals that go bad, having feet on the street is an important risk mitigation function. In theory, LivingSocial sales people can see if a business is shoddy or has gaping flaws that would turn off customers. I’m sure they’re not trained to evaluate risk as someone who knew they were in the receivables financing business would be, but it’s better than nothing. There are also structural differences: by being in market, LivingSocial salespeople don’t have as much incentive to screw over small businesses because they may have to revisit them. Groupon, with its call centers, creates bad incentives because sales people screw over businesses in smaller markets in order to get promoted into bigger markets where they get promoted.
  • Groupon Promise. The Groupon Promise is the proximate cause of Groupon’s earnings re-statement on Friday. (There are others, but I’m simplifying.) LivingSocial and other players have not had anything like it. This creates a lot of overhang for Groupon in that they’re unconditionally backing the performance of small businesses over whom they have little control. It also opens Groupon up to refund abuse by consumers who just take advantage of the promise. As a consumer value proposition, it sounds great. But it creates a lot of risk for the business financially. It also creates legal and regulatory risk if they don’t live up to that promise.

April 2, 2012

Best practices for April Fool’s Day

Filed under: groupon — Rakesh Agrawal @ 4:40 pm

My April Fool’s Day went much better than I expected with a lot of people believing that I joined Groupon. As you probably know by now, I didn’t actually join Groupon. In fact, I was on CNBC this afternoon talking about how I believe it will go to zero without significants changes in its model.

One of the things that struck me was how powerful social media have become. I got a number of inquiries from reporters about the move. Clearly, something like this was material news that might move Groupon’s stock.

Based on my experience, here are some best practices on April Fool’s:

For pranksters

  • Make it believable. Don’t make your jokes so ridiculous that no one would think it was possible. In my post, I criticized Groupon and didn’t talk about what a great company it was because no one would believe those words coming from me. Some people told me that “forward looking statements” footnote made it seem more authentic. I actually cut and pasted that from a Groupon press release. But I also added in a sentence: “The SEC particularly advises investors to be skeptical of announcements posted on April 1 of any year.” (This is why you should read footnotes in financial statements!)
  • Go all in. My prank spanned my blog, Twitter, Facebook, Quora, LinkedIn and foursquare. If you checked out my other presences, you would have seen a consistent story.
  • But know your limits. There are some lines you shouldn’t cross. Even though I could’ve played the prank out on TV or in other media outlets, that would have been wrong. I would not agree to do TV or interviews where I was spreading false information. I also would not have done this on a day that the market was open.
  • Be self-deprecating. Throughout the day, I retweeted tweets that called me a sellout or worse.

For prankees

  • Read the comments. Inevitably, someone will spoil the prank in the comments. I tried to remove some of the most obvious comments throughout the day. (But I was offline a lot of the day, so some slipped through.)
  • Respect the game. It may be tempting to show how smart you are by commenting that it’s a prank. Instead, privately let the person know that you got it. (I had quite a few people IM, SMS and email me.) If you must comment, make it oblique.
  • Spread the joy. Special thanks to Kevin Nakao, Arnie Gullov-Singh and Marc Bodnick for moving the prank forward.

As to whether I would actually join Groupon if they offered me a job… that’s a post for another day!

April 1, 2012

Why I’m joining Groupon

Filed under: groupon — Rakesh Agrawal @ 4:39 am

My life has taken quite a few turns over the last year, but none stranger than yesterday’s.

After taking Groupon to task for the bazillionth time, I got a call from Andrew Mason. This was shocking because Groupon PR has kept me from talking to him for 9 months now. As I’ve said before, I think that’s an idiotic strategy — it’s best to engage with your critics, not ignore them. Especially when they have a platform and can clearly explain your challenges. (I was talking to one senior exec who said that if he’d been in Groupon’s shoes, the first thing he would have done after the quiet period was to put Andrew on stage for a no-holds barred interview with me.)

Andrew finally decided to engage me. During a lengthy conversation, I realized that he actually cares about the success of small businesses as much as I do and that he genuinely wants to do the right thing by them and help them to grow. He sees many of the same problems that I’ve pointed out in my analysis of Groupon since last June and wants to improve the company and create better products for SMBs.

Aside from the last year, I’ve spent my entire career in product management and business development. It’s my true passion. I’ve also spent much of my career on local products. It’s time for me to get back to that. I’m pleased to announce that I will be joining Groupon to help them create better products that truly meet the needs of small businesses.

Most such announcements are filled with flowery language about how great the company is. Obviously that would be fake coming from me, so I won’t make such claims.

I will still be based out of Silicon Valley. As I said yesterday, I think one of Groupon’s strongest chances for success is finding companies they can acquire to create a more sustainable model for Groupon and a better value for merchants. Because I have a knack for finding and analyzing companies, this will be part of my work.

I’m going into this with my eyes wide open:

  • I realize that part of the reason that Andrew extended the offer may be to offset the shellacking that Groupon will likely receive tomorrow in light of the restatement. Being able to announce that their biggest critic is joining the team to help them improve their business might preserve a bit of their market cap.
  • I know that the company faces a number of challenges — I’ve been chronicling them more than anyone. There are many others that I haven’t written about.
  • I will undoubtedly have to deal with a lot of ruffled feathers.

It would be intellectually dishonest (and futile) to try to remove my criticisms of Groupon from the Web. Instead, they’ll serve as a to-do list of things that need to be fixed. But it does mean that I won’t be publicly exposing any more flaws in Groupon’s business; I will work to rectify them from the inside.

I have always believed in tackling hard challenges and I think this will be a tough one, but I’m looking forward to it.

Thank you for all of your support over the last year!

Oh, and Groupon’s lawyers insist that I add this:

Forward-Looking Statements

This announcement contains forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties, and actual results could differ materially from those discussed. Factors that could cause or contribute to such differences include, but are not limited to, the factors included under the headings “Risk Factors” and “Management’s Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations in the company’s registration statement on Form S-1, as amended, filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on November 1, 2011, copies of which may be obtained by visiting the company’s Investor Relations web site at http://investor.groupon.com or the SEC’s web site at www.sec.gov. Groupon’s actual results could differ materially from those predicted or implied and reported results should not be considered as an indication of future performance. The SEC particularly advises investors to be skeptical of announcements posted on April 1 of any year.

You should not rely upon forward-looking statements as predictions of future events. Although we believe that the expectations reflected in the forward-looking statements are reasonable, we cannot guarantee that the future results, levels of activity, performance or events and circumstances reflected in the forward-looking statements will be achieved or occur. Moreover, neither we nor any other person assumes responsibility for the accuracy and completeness of the forward-looking statements. We undertake no obligation to update publicly any forward-looking statements for any reason after the date of this press release to conform these statements to actual results or to changes in our expectations.

March 31, 2012

Why Groupon is poised for collapse — an update

Filed under: daily deals, groupon — Rakesh Agrawal @ 6:39 am

Groupon was forced to restate fourth quarter earnings, sending its stock down 6% in after-hours trading. This surprised me as much as my $2 investment in the Mega Millions jackpot not paying off.

The reasons for Groupon’s restatement were higher refund reserves and weakness in internal controls. These are issues I’ve repeatedly discussed. I raised them directly with Groupon PR in September (back when they still would speak to me) and I was assured that refunds weren’t an issue for Groupon.

I also spoke with a former Groupon salesperson who claimed he was fired because he raised concerns about poor internal systems that didn’t track deals correctly and complaints about poor risk management when it comes to running deals.

So what’s happening at the coupon company?

Well, for starters, it’s not a coupon company nor a marketing company. At its core, Groupon’s U.S. business is a receivables factoring business, as I wrote last year. They give loans to small businesses at a very steep rate (the price of the discount plus Groupon’s commission). They get the money to fund these loans from credit card companies such as Chase Paymentech. Groupon is essentially a sub-prime lender that does zero risk assessment. And as word continues to spread about what a terrible deal running a Groupon is for many categories of businesses, the ones that will choose to run Groupons are the ones that are the most desperate. For U.S. based businesses, the only time I can definitely recommend running a Groupon is if it is otherwise going to go out of business.

Another factor is that Groupon is selling bigger and bigger deals and many of these have requirements for use. Some deals have medical qualifications. The former salesperson told me about Groupons for a procedure called “cool sculpting”. In this procedure, fat is frozen off the body. In order to get the treatment, patients must be medically qualified. But Groupon has no way of medically qualifying purchasers and will sell it to anyone. When they go to the doctor and find out that they aren’t eligible, they call Groupon for a refund. If this is several months later, after Groupon has paid out the entirety of what it owes the provider, this can mean a refund loss for Groupon.

Travel is another risky category for Groupon. Unlike Expedia, Travelocity, Priceline, Jetsetter and nearly every other major travel provider, Groupon does not require consumers to pick their dates and confirm availability at the time of purchase. When a consumer finds he can’t use his Groupon months later, he calls for a refund. Groupon also hides material restrictions on travel deals, something I pointed out in September and Groupon still hasn’t rectified.

Because these are higher ticket items that cost hundreds or thousands of dollars, consumers are more likely to ask for a refund than on lower ticket items. In the short term, it means a revenue boost to Groupon, which the company needs as its once torrid growth itself cools. In the long term, it means refund losses.

The “Groupon Promise” is another risk factor. It’s an overly broad promise designed to allay consumers’ concern about using Groupons. Because it is so broad, it results in higher refund rates than would otherwise be the case.

Yet another concern is that Groupon does not track how much outstanding Groupon “debt” there is. There is no one in the world who can tell you how many and how much Groupon value is outstanding. Unlike typical gift card sales, Groupon books revenue immediately and then does not show the Groupons on its balance sheet. By my estimates, Groupon has between $500 million and $750 million in liabilities that it doesn’t show on its balance sheet.

In theory, Groupon’s exposure to that risk is covered by its refund reserves — but we don’t know the size of those reserves. And as yesterday’s restatement shows, they’ve calculated them poorly. Unless Groupon begins to do risk assessment on deals before they run, changes its payout terms to businesses or drastically changes its refund policies, I expect refund rates to continue to rise. If they do any of those things, I expect revenue declines because it will make running Groupons less attractive to businesses and buying Groupons less attractive to consumers.

Groupon has also worked hard to hide their refund rates. While going through their S-1 process last year, Groupon continually revised its accounting. At one point, I discovered a way to calculate their refund rates and found that refund rates had likely increased more than 40% year-over-year. In the next amendment to their S-1, they changed their accounting again to bury that data.

Investors should also be concerned about the fact that Groupon’s lock up should end in early May, releasing a lot more shares on to the market. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Groupon trading in single digits after that and heading to zero within the next 36 months. Groupon’s best bet is if they can acquire their way into a sustainable business model; I’m doubtful that will happen considering the companies they have purchased to date.

With its restatement, Groupon said that its guidance for the first quarter remained the same as earlier. Given that their lockup should end shortly before they report first quarter results, I would take that assessment with a mine full of salt.

See some of my previous writings on Groupon:

January 22, 2012

Groupon, LivingSocial and daily deals – consumer FAQ

Filed under: daily deals, groupon, livingsocial — Rakesh Agrawal @ 8:03 pm

Judging from the queries that come to this blog, there are a lot of questions that consumers have about daily deals from Groupon and LivingSocial. If you are a merchant and are interested in learning about the merchant experience, see the Groupon merchant FAQ. Please note that although I use “Groupon” extensively throughout this post, the same general principles apply to other U.S. deal sites, including LivingSocial

These are the most frequently asked questions about daily deals:

My Groupon expired. Is it still worth something?

Yes, Groupons and LivingSocial vouchers that expire are still worth what you paid for them forever. In some states, the merchant may be required to honor the full face value (including promotional discount) past the expiration date. You can try to use it at the merchant. If they won’t honor it, call up Groupon or LivingSocial and ask for a refund.

The business I bought a Groupon for went out of business. Can I get my money back?

Yes. Call the deal company and you will get a refund of the money that you paid. They may initially try to give it you in Groupon credit; insist on getting a refund to your credit card.

Do I have to use my Groupon all at once?

Many daily deals state that they must be used in one visit. However, this may be contrary to state law as some states require that prepaid vouchers can be used over the course of multiple visits. It’s still unclear how this will play out. But if you’re dissatisfied, call or email your deal provider and explain your situation. You can use vouchercomplaints.org to help craft your email and learn more about the specifics that apply to your state.

Can I get a cash refund for my unused Groupon value?

Some state require that any balances below a certain value be refunded in cash if requested. For example, in California, merchants are required to refund gift cards with value below $10 upon request. It’s still unclear how this will play out. But if you’re dissatisfied, call or email your deal provider and explain your situation. You can use vouchercomplaints.org to help craft your email and learn more about the specifics that apply to your state.

Will I get worse service if I use a Groupon?

It’s not uncommon to experience poor service when using a Groupon. This happens for two primary reasons: 1) Many businesses end up selling a lot more vouchers than they expected, leading to a crush of demand that they can’t service. You may want to wait until a month or so into the Groupon, when the initial rush dies down. 2) Many servers have bad experiences with Groupon customers. I’ve heard many complaints about poor tipping and customers being extra demanding. As a result, they treat all Groupon customers poorly.

I bought a Groupon for a cleaning service, but when I call they tell me that they can’t book me for 4 months. What can I do?

Because Groupon generates so much demand, it’s pretty common for service businesses like cleaners, spas and auto detailers to be booked up for months. If you can’t book in a timeframe that meets your needs, call Groupon and ask for a refund.

I bought a Groupon Getaways voucher. I tried to book my trip, but the hotel says it’s not available for Groupon use. I checked their Web site and they have rooms available. What’s going on?

Groupon Getaways and LivingSocial Escapes are generally sold based on “availability.” Availability doesn’t mean it’s valid if any room is available. Like airlines, hotels allocate rooms into multiple inventory buckets. In order for you to use your voucher, there must be availability in the bucket that corresponds to your voucher. Availability is always in flux; if you’re told that it’s not available today, it might be available tomorrow and vice versa. If you cannot book the dates that you want, call Groupon or LivingSocial and ask for a refund.

Are Groupons bad for businesses?

It depends on the type of business and the type of deal. In many cases, Groupons are harmful to the businesses that run them. This is especially true if you are an existing customer and use a Groupon when you otherwise would have paid full price. See the Groupon merchant FAQ for more information.

I have another problem with Groupon or LivingSocial that isn’t addressed here. Where can I get help?

You can email support@groupon.com or call their customer service at  1 (877) 788-7858, 9a.m.-5p.m. CT.

For LivingSocial, visit http://help.livingsocial.com/contact_us or call 877-521-4191.

Although I usually hear negative things from merchants about daily deal companies, I generally hear very positive things from consumers about customer service.

If they aren’t able or willing to help, try calling your credit card company and requesting a chargeback.

If you have an interesting situation or a negative experience with their customer service, feel free to also email me at dailydeals@agrawals.org. Because of the volume of email I get, I can’t respond to every message.

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